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<blockquote data-quote="HardRightEdge" data-source="post: 664529"><p>Some Janis advocates might point to the Hail Mary, even if it was a borderline catch. Lack of control could have gone either way. Clearly there was full extension on this play, something we have not seen from Janis, but it was a lob.</p><p></p><p>You still saw him arms-bent on nearly every other catch last season. You don't see him making back shoulders or adjusting to a ball that isn't put right on him, or getting full arm extension on a ball with some mustard on it. It goes to the McCarthy references to "catch radius". What does anybody think that's about with a guy this big who can jump? It's about extending and adjusting to the ball. You can't look at just the throws he gets; you have to think about the balls not thrown to his weaknesses.</p><p></p><p>His best trait to recommend him for even semi-regular play is that he's tough as nails in the middle and breaks tackles for YAC.</p><p></p><p>We've seen the thinly veiled comments from the QB about a lack of work ethic. That could be poor study habits. But it can also be that Janis isn't wired to take what he sees in the playbook or on the grease board directly to the field. Some players have to learn by doing, but the NFL doesn't coddle and they don't put interns on the field in money games unless somebody gets hurt. There's little room for on-the-field repetition learning if the study aspect doesn't complement raw ability. Or maybe his mind is just swimming from having graduated from a glorified high school offense to the NFL.</p><p></p><p>I wouldn't write him off, but you have to wonder whether his development can stay ahead of the NFL's (and Rodgers' in particular) patience level.</p><p></p><p>That said, there was one catch in the AZ game that made me sit up a bit, and not the one anybody might think. It's not in his season highlight tape on youtube, as one would expect. It was a quick slant for a short gain late in the game. He was quick out of the break, got low with extension on a ball with mustard and made the catch. It think it was the first extended hands catch I've seen him make on something other than a lob. It may be a matter of some time, but he might get where he needs to be...again, if the patience doesn't wear thin.</p><p></p><p>But he is a playmaking gunner and a productive KO returner. Consider how thin the Packers are at safety going into this camp because they value Banjo for special teams. Or consider Bush, a dime S/CB buried in the depth chart, whose sole utility the last couple years was as the lead gunner and a captain-like guy, but at no small expense.</p><p></p><p>McCarthy talks about low picks/UDFAs/bubble players having to contribute on special teams. The reason is simple. Nobody, including McCarthy, know whether a guy will develop or how long it might take. A developmental player buys the time to develop with special teams play. I think Janis' special teams play and raw athletic ability has earned him the right.</p><p></p><p>I believe Abbrederis, who has no special teams utility, will have to do something remarkable in preseason or Davis will have to fall flat going to practice squad, to bump Janis off the roster.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HardRightEdge, post: 664529"] Some Janis advocates might point to the Hail Mary, even if it was a borderline catch. Lack of control could have gone either way. Clearly there was full extension on this play, something we have not seen from Janis, but it was a lob. You still saw him arms-bent on nearly every other catch last season. You don't see him making back shoulders or adjusting to a ball that isn't put right on him, or getting full arm extension on a ball with some mustard on it. It goes to the McCarthy references to "catch radius". What does anybody think that's about with a guy this big who can jump? It's about extending and adjusting to the ball. You can't look at just the throws he gets; you have to think about the balls not thrown to his weaknesses. His best trait to recommend him for even semi-regular play is that he's tough as nails in the middle and breaks tackles for YAC. We've seen the thinly veiled comments from the QB about a lack of work ethic. That could be poor study habits. But it can also be that Janis isn't wired to take what he sees in the playbook or on the grease board directly to the field. Some players have to learn by doing, but the NFL doesn't coddle and they don't put interns on the field in money games unless somebody gets hurt. There's little room for on-the-field repetition learning if the study aspect doesn't complement raw ability. Or maybe his mind is just swimming from having graduated from a glorified high school offense to the NFL. I wouldn't write him off, but you have to wonder whether his development can stay ahead of the NFL's (and Rodgers' in particular) patience level. That said, there was one catch in the AZ game that made me sit up a bit, and not the one anybody might think. It's not in his season highlight tape on youtube, as one would expect. It was a quick slant for a short gain late in the game. He was quick out of the break, got low with extension on a ball with mustard and made the catch. It think it was the first extended hands catch I've seen him make on something other than a lob. It may be a matter of some time, but he might get where he needs to be...again, if the patience doesn't wear thin. But he is a playmaking gunner and a productive KO returner. Consider how thin the Packers are at safety going into this camp because they value Banjo for special teams. Or consider Bush, a dime S/CB buried in the depth chart, whose sole utility the last couple years was as the lead gunner and a captain-like guy, but at no small expense. McCarthy talks about low picks/UDFAs/bubble players having to contribute on special teams. The reason is simple. Nobody, including McCarthy, know whether a guy will develop or how long it might take. A developmental player buys the time to develop with special teams play. I think Janis' special teams play and raw athletic ability has earned him the right. I believe Abbrederis, who has no special teams utility, will have to do something remarkable in preseason or Davis will have to fall flat going to practice squad, to bump Janis off the roster. [/QUOTE]
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