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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tynimiller" data-source="post: 1058355" data-attributes="member: 6578">oh for sure I think many fans have unrealistic expectations of nearly every round draft pick before day 3…and many even beyond that into Day3Deguara is the perfect example and is why I’d never argue was a L or a W and gladly concede him as I eluded to. If he had been picked in the 4th the amount of people whose view of him would change would blow many people’s minds. Many even on this board would magically change their opinion. While we agree on Deguara essentially, Oren absolutely is one we disagree on and he cannot be used as part of the defense of the curse IMO. At worst or best depending on case you have to put him down as a toss up or tie.</blockquote>

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