Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
New resources
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Resources
Latest reviews
Search resources
Members
Current visitors
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Forums
Open Football Discussion
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
2024-2025 Season Studs n Duds
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Magooch" data-source="post: 1056605" data-attributes="member: 17987"><p>Looking at it big-picture (season-long) I have a fairly simple dichotomy for it. "Studs" are the players who either:</p><p></p><p>A. Clearly stand out/excel compared to their peers (and "peers" in this sense can mean both their teammates and/or league-wide)</p><p>or B. Made obvious progress/strides and/or showed significant growth over the course of the season</p><p></p><p>And for me if you're not one of those "studs" then you're a "dud". Maybe some have an in-between ranking for players they feel fit neither category. That's totally valid, just not the approach I'm taking. </p><p></p><p>I would give an "honorable mention" to Evan Williams (probably my #3 player on defense behind X and Cooper) and perhaps Zach Tom. </p><p></p><p>Looking at it by position groups for the rest:</p><p></p><p><strong>OL: </strong>As above I thought Tom had a decent season. The rest of the OL was largely "replacement level" for much of the season, IMO. I don't think there was anyone else who I would say was a standout performer and/or showed great progress/development over the course of the season. </p><p></p><p><strong>RB </strong>was a strong point, as evidenced by mention of Jacobs. Wilson and Brooks performed well enough when called upon but I'm going to have a hard time putting a backup/rotation RB in the "stud" category on principle. </p><p></p><p><strong>TE: </strong>Kraft impressed me for sure. Not really anything of note from any of the rest, for one reason or another.</p><p></p><p><strong>WR: </strong>Overall, one of the bigger disappointments for me. I think there were a lot of us who expected one or more of those guys to make a big step forward this year and that just didn't happen. Reed was looking promising for a few weeks and then fell off a cliff. Just about every WR on the roster either stagnated or regressed over the course of the season. A position that looked like a big strength heading into the season suddenly looks like a big position of need heading into the offseason. Easy dud call IMO. </p><p></p><p>Over on defense...</p><p></p><p><strong>DL: </strong>In general, extremely mediocre, with the pass rush being particularly disappointing. Kenny Clark was an absolute flop. Van Ness is heading all gas, no brakes towards being a massive bust. Cox looked promising for a minute...and ended up with a pretty "meh" season overall. Gary is not close to the player we need him to be (and are paying him to be). </p><p></p><p><strong>LB:</strong> Cooper has been a revelation. He looks like future All-Pro material. That's a big win for sure. I know he has a lot of critics, but I thought Quay Walker benefitted a lot from Cooper's emergence. He looked at least serviceable as the season went on, but I still wouldn't put him in the "stud" category, that's for sure. </p><p></p><p><strong>CB: </strong>Nothing particularly noteworthy going on here. Jaire is great when he plays, but he's always hurt. Stokes will be gone. Ballentine, Valentine, and Rochell are average players - again none of which I would call "studs". </p><p></p><p><strong>S: </strong>Williams has been really good overall. As above, I'd put him right behind X and Cooper as my #3 defender. X deserves a shoutout; in my estimation he had a big role in transforming our defense and is the leader I think many of us hoped Gary would be. I can't really say one way or the other on Bullard or Anderson but again wouldn't consider them to be "studs" this season, so it is what it is.</p><p></p><p><strong>ST: </strong>McManus probably deserves a "stud," but like I said - was trying to limit to ~top 2. Whelan had a good season. Nixon went from being paid for his return abilities, to basically having returns taken off the table, so he's now wildly overpaid for what he brings to the table at this point. </p><p></p><p><strong>Coaching: </strong>I have to count LaFleur pretty comfortably in the "duds" this year. He's constantly getting up post-game and talking about how all these responsibilities should fall to him and...so be it. Overall, our team didn't show a ton of improvement as the season went on. We didn't have many individual players show noticeable improvement. His clock management and in-game decision making was average on a good day and Eberflus-level on the bad ones. Love doesn't look to have improved in any meaningful way and I think many would argue he looked worse to close out this season than he did last season. The team was consistently undisciplined, unprepared, and rarely seemed to learn from our mistakes (Think of all the times we heard MLF say things like "That's on me, we have to get better there" or "that can't happen" - how many of them actually improved?). I give some credit for getting wins with Willis, but beyond that I don't think Matt coached a particularly good season. He is not going to be in any coach of the year conversations, to say the least. </p><p>Hafley on the other hand I've been very happy with overall. I said it in the game thread, but it's kind of concerning to me that we can bring in a DC from the college game, and in his first year in the league looks to have totally transformed our defense...while we have a head coach/playcaller who's supposed to be some kind of offensive mastermind and it felt like we were mostly spinning our tires on offense all season long. With a proper pass rush and better-than-average CBs we really might have something. Bisaccia is basically collecting free paychecks at this point. He was at one point the highest-paid ST coach in the league (might still be. Haven't checked) and finished the year with PFF's worst ST unit. He shouldn't be back. </p><p></p><p>So, there you have it. I just don't see a ton of "standout" performers on this team at the moment. Perhaps you grade by a different set of standards, that's fine too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Magooch, post: 1056605, member: 17987"] Looking at it big-picture (season-long) I have a fairly simple dichotomy for it. "Studs" are the players who either: A. Clearly stand out/excel compared to their peers (and "peers" in this sense can mean both their teammates and/or league-wide) or B. Made obvious progress/strides and/or showed significant growth over the course of the season And for me if you're not one of those "studs" then you're a "dud". Maybe some have an in-between ranking for players they feel fit neither category. That's totally valid, just not the approach I'm taking. I would give an "honorable mention" to Evan Williams (probably my #3 player on defense behind X and Cooper) and perhaps Zach Tom. Looking at it by position groups for the rest: [B]OL: [/B]As above I thought Tom had a decent season. The rest of the OL was largely "replacement level" for much of the season, IMO. I don't think there was anyone else who I would say was a standout performer and/or showed great progress/development over the course of the season. [B]RB [/B]was a strong point, as evidenced by mention of Jacobs. Wilson and Brooks performed well enough when called upon but I'm going to have a hard time putting a backup/rotation RB in the "stud" category on principle. [B]TE: [/B]Kraft impressed me for sure. Not really anything of note from any of the rest, for one reason or another. [B]WR: [/B]Overall, one of the bigger disappointments for me. I think there were a lot of us who expected one or more of those guys to make a big step forward this year and that just didn't happen. Reed was looking promising for a few weeks and then fell off a cliff. Just about every WR on the roster either stagnated or regressed over the course of the season. A position that looked like a big strength heading into the season suddenly looks like a big position of need heading into the offseason. Easy dud call IMO. Over on defense... [B]DL: [/B]In general, extremely mediocre, with the pass rush being particularly disappointing. Kenny Clark was an absolute flop. Van Ness is heading all gas, no brakes towards being a massive bust. Cox looked promising for a minute...and ended up with a pretty "meh" season overall. Gary is not close to the player we need him to be (and are paying him to be). [B]LB:[/B] Cooper has been a revelation. He looks like future All-Pro material. That's a big win for sure. I know he has a lot of critics, but I thought Quay Walker benefitted a lot from Cooper's emergence. He looked at least serviceable as the season went on, but I still wouldn't put him in the "stud" category, that's for sure. [B]CB: [/B]Nothing particularly noteworthy going on here. Jaire is great when he plays, but he's always hurt. Stokes will be gone. Ballentine, Valentine, and Rochell are average players - again none of which I would call "studs". [B]S: [/B]Williams has been really good overall. As above, I'd put him right behind X and Cooper as my #3 defender. X deserves a shoutout; in my estimation he had a big role in transforming our defense and is the leader I think many of us hoped Gary would be. I can't really say one way or the other on Bullard or Anderson but again wouldn't consider them to be "studs" this season, so it is what it is. [B]ST: [/B]McManus probably deserves a "stud," but like I said - was trying to limit to ~top 2. Whelan had a good season. Nixon went from being paid for his return abilities, to basically having returns taken off the table, so he's now wildly overpaid for what he brings to the table at this point. [B]Coaching: [/B]I have to count LaFleur pretty comfortably in the "duds" this year. He's constantly getting up post-game and talking about how all these responsibilities should fall to him and...so be it. Overall, our team didn't show a ton of improvement as the season went on. We didn't have many individual players show noticeable improvement. His clock management and in-game decision making was average on a good day and Eberflus-level on the bad ones. Love doesn't look to have improved in any meaningful way and I think many would argue he looked worse to close out this season than he did last season. The team was consistently undisciplined, unprepared, and rarely seemed to learn from our mistakes (Think of all the times we heard MLF say things like "That's on me, we have to get better there" or "that can't happen" - how many of them actually improved?). I give some credit for getting wins with Willis, but beyond that I don't think Matt coached a particularly good season. He is not going to be in any coach of the year conversations, to say the least. Hafley on the other hand I've been very happy with overall. I said it in the game thread, but it's kind of concerning to me that we can bring in a DC from the college game, and in his first year in the league looks to have totally transformed our defense...while we have a head coach/playcaller who's supposed to be some kind of offensive mastermind and it felt like we were mostly spinning our tires on offense all season long. With a proper pass rush and better-than-average CBs we really might have something. Bisaccia is basically collecting free paychecks at this point. He was at one point the highest-paid ST coach in the league (might still be. Haven't checked) and finished the year with PFF's worst ST unit. He shouldn't be back. So, there you have it. I just don't see a ton of "standout" performers on this team at the moment. Perhaps you grade by a different set of standards, that's fine too. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Members online
DoURant
swhitset
gopkrs
Emur
Magooch
tynimiller
Latest posts
Good Bye J’aire Alexander
Latest: OldSchool101
7 minutes ago
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
2025 NFL Free Agency
Latest: OldSchool101
10 minutes ago
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
2025 Packer Free Agent News/Tracker
Latest: milani
Today at 2:12 PM
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
My Top 100
Latest: tynimiller
Today at 11:39 AM
Draft Talk
Prospects that I'm very bullish on...
Latest: tynimiller
Today at 11:29 AM
Draft Talk
Forums
Open Football Discussion
Green Bay Packers Fan Forum
2024-2025 Season Studs n Duds
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top